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Skyy High · Sep 07, 2010, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Iuris

"Fair" is not in the equation. Alienating potential new costumers, not to mention the vast majority of old costumers who don't go for HoM filling, that IS in the equation.

And alienating the dedicated fans who watched all their hours of achievements in GW1 fall by the wayside when they decided to move to GW2 instead of continuing GW1? That's really what the HoM was about, you know, making the transition easier to swallow for people who have put a heck of a lot of time into GW1, and will now need to start from scratch.

Also, and this is more of a general question not directed at you: if you're not buying vanity items in GW1, what the heck are you buying?

Iuris · Sep 07, 2010, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Which of the two do you think is more numerous? My experience may be limited by my guild, but full HoMs are rare. People haven't even completed all the campaigns...

I, with my almost full HoM (4 titles from GWAMM, and I could craft any number of destroyer items if I wanted), don't think I'll be very alienated if I get a /bonus equipment equivalent or a simple memento.

But if I were a potential player and heard the fanatics from GW1 get ultra good raid gear or whatever people expect in this thread... I'd be put off.

Whom do I expect Anet to listen to, given their general behavious over the years? I'd say the casuals. I fully expect that every player who has at least ONE armor suit or destroyer weapon in the hall will get SOMETHING to show for it. A little something, but something.

Who's right, you or me? We'll see when Anet published HoM details.

MrKGado · Sep 07, 2010, 06:02 PM // 18:02

So I am guessing that since they switched over to an account-wide system, we just need to fill them account wide. However, I wonder if we will get more points for having it filled for multiple characters since those who do would have more items in their HoM.

snowman relic · Sep 07, 2010, 07:58 PM // 19:58

What many seem to be forgetting is areanet is bringing your accomplishments from the past to the future so this should be the only way to get whatever they give us

Polgara Val · Sep 07, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Which of the two do you think is more numerous? My experience may be limited by my guild, but full HoMs are rare. People haven't even completed all the campaigns...

I, with my almost full HoM (4 titles from GWAMM, and I could craft any number of destroyer items if I wanted), don't think I'll be very alienated if I get a /bonus equipment equivalent or a simple memento.

But if I were a potential player and heard the fanatics from GW1 get ultra good raid gear or whatever people expect in this thread... I'd be put off.

Whom do I expect Anet to listen to, given their general behavious over the years? I'd say the casuals. I fully expect that every player who has at least ONE armor suit or destroyer weapon in the hall will get SOMETHING to show for it. A little something, but something.

Who's right, you or me? We'll see when Anet published HoM details.

Firstly filling a HoM doesent take forever and a normal casual player who has played the game even for 6 months to a year can fill it. Secondly, they have also said you dont need a full HoM to get your rewards for GW2, of course the more you have the more "points" you will have at your disposal, this is what I understand from what little information they have given us. Finnally, its already been stated by Anet that the items you recieve will be purely cosmetic and are not tradable.

Pol

Angel Killuminati · Sep 08, 2010, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Polgara Val

Finnally, its already been stated by Anet that the items you recieve will be purely cosmetic and are not tradable.
Pol

Exactly, I wouldn't worry too much about this. It's probably purely cosmetic things you can get in GW2, but in the grand scheme of things, woop de woo - not that exciting.

Chaos gloves were exciting at first, and everyone was Wow, but those soon turned boring - you see them everywhere and nobody cares. Some mini's are ultra rare, but people soon run past them and you're left standing with a mini walking around, nobody even looks at twice.

Just play GW2 and pick up the lovely items given there. If the HoM rewards you with some other items / skins, then good, but I'm not overly anxious to find out.

The items might even be non tradable, if they even give you items - so it's just for you to wear, or for you to whack in your storage for years.

Alternatively, if they reward you other than cosmetically, then I'll stand up and take note.

Arsalan · Sep 08, 2010, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I think this is hilarious. If you dont want to fill the HoM, then dont! No one will force you to fill it and in no way will your ability to play GW2 suffer! But for those of us who have or are still spending loads of time trying to fill the HoM because we want our achievements to be acknowledged in GW2: we want something pretty cool for our hard work and we dont really care whether newcomers or old players are too lazy to just fill their HoM with a couple of things but who, instead, go cry about it on the forums.

Think HoM is useless and or dividing: dont fill it, forget about it. Dont ask ANet to take away any cool things the people that have or are filling the HoM might get. Thats just not cool, man.

BenjZee · Sep 08, 2010, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Haha exactly! thats what i keep saying abotu every game that even has achievments, if you want to do them for the challenge, do them. If you do them for the fun...do them for the fun. But if its grind, then who are you kidding?

dancing gnome · Sep 08, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

And alienating the dedicated fans who watched all their hours of achievements in GW1 fall by the wayside when they decided to move to GW2 instead of continuing GW1? That's really what the HoM was about, you know, making the transition easier to swallow for people who have put a heck of a lot of time into GW1, and will now need to start from scratch.

Also, and this is more of a general question not directed at you: if you're not buying vanity items in GW1, what the heck are you buying?

Why would someone expect anything to transfer from an old game to a new game? Halo doesn't work like that, Diablo doesn't work like that, the only game I know that does that is Pokemon (I'm sure there are others, my point is that it's not the norm).

If you are playing a new game YOU ARE PLAYING A NEW GAME! If you honestly only care about transferring your pixels from the old game to the new so much that you would quit if you didn't have some kind of recognition for it I honestly believe it would be healthier for you to stop playing the game and quit.

*lemming* · Sep 08, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

And alienating the dedicated fans who watched all their hours of achievements in GW1 fall by the wayside when they decided to move to GW2 instead of continuing GW1? That's really what the HoM was about, you know, making the transition easier to swallow for people who have put a heck of a lot of time into GW1, and will now need to start from scratch.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Everquest 2 didn't have any rewards carrying over from EQ1 players, did it?

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Also, and this is more of a general question not directed at you: if you're not buying vanity items in GW1, what the heck are you buying?

Probably selling your gold.

jazilla · Sep 09, 2010, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Why would someone expect anything to transfer from an old game to a new game? Halo doesn't work like that, Diablo doesn't work like that, the only game I know that does that is Pokemon (I'm sure there are others, my point is that it's not the norm).

If you are playing a new game YOU ARE PLAYING A NEW GAME! If you honestly only care about transferring your pixels from the old game to the new so much that you would quit if you didn't have some kind of recognition for it I honestly believe it would be healthier for you to stop playing the game and quit.

Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Street Fighter 4 just off the top of my head. It's not all we care about, but you have to understand that some people play because of stuff like this. It's our opinion and it doesn't make it any less valid because you don't agree with it. ANET knew there would be players that care about this stuff and they catered to our whim on it. Meaning; it is there for the very purpose that you are arguing. Point is, they used it as a major selling point for EOTN. If people bought EOTN because they figured, "hey! not only will i get this for this game but the next as well, Sweet!" can you blame them for caring if all of a sudden that wasn't what was going to happen?

Black Metal · Sep 09, 2010, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Why would someone expect anything to transfer from an old game to a new game? Halo doesn't work like that, Diablo doesn't work like that, the only game I know that does that is Pokemon (I'm sure there are others, my point is that it's not the norm).

If you are playing a new game YOU ARE PLAYING A NEW GAME! If you honestly only care about transferring your pixels from the old game to the new so much that you would quit if you didn't have some kind of recognition for it I honestly believe it would be healthier for you to stop playing the game and quit.

Baldur's Gate and the Silent Hill games did this too. Many, many games have done it, it's a great way to get original game people interested (if they weren't already) in the sequel, and it's a time-honored successful tactic. This oddly seems totally lost on you, so either you are a more brilliant game dev or Anet is. I put my money on Anet.

shoyon456 · Sep 09, 2010, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Why would someone expect anything to transfer from an old game to a new game? Halo doesn't work like that, Diablo doesn't work like that, the only game I know that does that is Pokemon (I'm sure there are others, my point is that it's not the norm).

If you are playing a new game YOU ARE PLAYING A NEW GAME! If you honestly only care about transferring your pixels from the old game to the new so much that you would quit if you didn't have some kind of recognition for it I honestly believe it would be healthier for you to stop playing the game and quit.

Listen. This point is not arguable. People who filled their HoM are getting rewards in GW2. Get over it and yourself. This thread was about "soon" info on what those rewards are. Your argument is null and void. The rewards will only be cosmetic, as they should be, however there should certainly be a higher reward for something such as GWAMM.

GW2 is very different game from GW1. You may say this is a perfect reason not to have rewards. However, from Anet's perspective, if rewards can convince enough diehard GW1 fans to jump, they'll have made a pretty penny.

They won't be fooling me with that damn carrot this time, though.

BoredJoe · Sep 09, 2010, 11:11 AM // 11:11

I fully expect the GW 2 skins to be superior to any rewards obtainable from a Hall, but for nostalgia's sake I'll probably choose one reward item for each of my 5 GW characters I'm carrying across.

Iuris · Sep 09, 2010, 12:01 PM // 12:01

In case I wasn't clear:

Somethink COOL, I'm all for. Something POWERFUL, I'm against.

I fully expect my rewards to be purely cosmetic. I'm fine with that. However, many complain how the want a "real" reward for their efforts, and they want something powerful. It's to these I'm saying that making the rewards powerful would alienate new players.

Killed u man · Sep 09, 2010, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I personally hope individual minipets won't count for GW2 rewards, but rather a filled section as a hole.

A casual player is able to achieve just about every title or reward in HoM, except the minipets one.

For those, you had to either be part of the ecto-dupe crew in 2006, the armrace dupe in 2007/2008, or have been powertrading for a long time. But powertrading isn't a valid way of making money, as it doesn't really make money, but rather relocates it from many different players to one player. (Aka, one player gets richer, many different other players get poorer)

shoyon456 · Sep 10, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I personally hope individual minipets won't count for GW2 rewards, but rather a filled section as a hole.

A casual player is able to achieve just about every title or reward in HoM, except the minipets one.

For those, you had to either be part of the ecto-dupe crew in 2006, the armrace dupe in 2007/2008, or have been powertrading for a long time. But powertrading isn't a valid way of making money, as it doesn't really make money, but rather relocates it from many different players to one player. (Aka, one player gets richer, many different other players get poorer)

1. It is easily possible for a casual/new player to fill the minipets part of the HoM. Stop thinking about buying ONLY expensive minipets. Get the cheap ones, duh.

2. It would be much more expensive to fill the armor/weapons/GWAMM parts, especially if you use tormented weapons and FoW.

3. Powertrading is a valid way of making money. Just because you can't get into it doesn't make it illegitimate. Sure it doesn't "make" money like farming does, but would rather have money reallocated, or so many people farming ecto that their price drops into the crapper? Plus money is never really "made" in game, only recycled. This is why prices always fluctuate (simplified explanation of course).

SpyderArachnid · Sep 10, 2010, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

And alienating the dedicated fans who watched all their hours of achievements in GW1 fall by the wayside when they decided to move to GW2 instead of continuing GW1? That's really what the HoM was about, you know, making the transition easier to swallow for people who have put a heck of a lot of time into GW1, and will now need to start from scratch.

It doesn't matter what effort they put into GW1. Anet has already stated that GW2 is going to be a whole new game with a completely fresh start. Meaning, starting from scratch for everyone. Just because you farmed more than the next guy, doesn't mean anything. All that effort you did in GW1 is exactly that. Effort in GW1. Not GW2. So those people that put in so much effort thinking they were getting all that effort in GW2, need to suck it up and realize that just because they farmed hours on end, doesn't mean squat in GW2.

They have already said we will get rewarded for a full HoM, and recieve points based on it. Meaning, a full HoM is the max, presumably. So all that extra farming to get more than is required, will most likely net you nothing. It seems we will have a set amount of points for having all the monuments filled. Which also tells us that if it is a set amount for a full HoM, that means that points won't be based of quality, but off the quantity of items.

So, even though you tossed in tons of hours farming in GW1 to get better rewards, all you're going to get is the same thing the rest of us get who just reached the minimum. Enjoy your "I farmed too much in GW1 and all I got was this T-Shirt" vanity clothing item.

Gill Halendt · Sep 10, 2010, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Enjoy your "I farmed too much in GW1 and all I got was this T-Shirt" vanity clothing item.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm pretty sure the "rewards" will most likely disappoint those who were expecting some big "something".

Also, nice MI quote. You win.

Vallen · Sep 10, 2010, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Aba

WTB Elite Area in guildwars 2
Can only enter if you happen to be a God amongst mere Mortals

I lol'd, this guy wins a cookie from me ^^

Enjoy

/signed

On Topic:
I heard from a few people in game that a title in GW1 will get you a title in GW2 and that an armour in GW1 will get you an armour in GW2 etc...

Any truth to this or is it just speculation?